BD player that can convert ntsc as analogue pal output?

[Arthur Marsh]

Hi, an old Pioneer DV310s can play ntsc format dvd's (e.g. Dilbert
Region 4, Japanese Region 2) and output via the composite video in PAL
format for old televisions that don't automatically recognise NTSC
format. It's a manual set-up item that at least is documented and works.

However, the Pioneer BDP-120 blu-ray player has no such option, and so
all that can be seen on old televisions are monochrome pictures.

Are there any decent blu-ray players that perform such conversion?

Regards,

Arthur.

[Brocker]

Post by Arthur Marsh
Hi, an old Pioneer DV310s can play ntsc format dvd's (e.g. Dilbert
Region 4, Japanese Region 2) and output via the composite video in PAL
format for old televisions that don't automatically recognise NTSC
format. It's a manual set-up item that at least is documented and works.
However, the Pioneer BDP-120 blu-ray player has no such option, and so
all that can be seen on old televisions are monochrome pictures.
Are there any decent blu-ray players that perform such conversion?
Regards,
Arthur.

Panasonic have option in setup menu to output NTSC as PAL60 which was
the method most often used in DVD players. Given that you are
displaying NTSC OK other than monochrome issue indicates the 60 in PAL
wont be an issue.

[Arthur Marsh]

Post by Brocker

Post by Arthur Marsh
Hi, an old Pioneer DV310s can play ntsc format dvd's (e.g. Dilbert
Region 4, Japanese Region 2) and output via the composite video in PAL
format for old televisions that don't automatically recognise NTSC
format. It's a manual set-up item that at least is documented and works.
However, the Pioneer BDP-120 blu-ray player has no such option, and so
all that can be seen on old televisions are monochrome pictures.
Are there any decent blu-ray players that perform such conversion?
Regards,
Arthur.

Panasonic have option in setup menu to output NTSC as PAL60 which was
the method most often used in DVD players. Given that you are
displaying NTSC OK other than monochrome issue indicates the 60 in PAL
wont be an issue.

Thanks, I received a large discount on the Pioneer BDP-120 (ex-display)
and have looked at either getting an NTSC to PAL converter ($99 from
Jaycar) or simply getting a newer television.

Arthur.

[globular]

Post by Arthur Marsh

Post by Brocker

Post by Arthur Marsh
Hi, an old Pioneer DV310s can play ntsc format dvd's (e.g. Dilbert
Region 4, Japanese Region 2) and output via the composite video in PAL
format for old televisions that don't automatically recognise NTSC
format. It's a manual set-up item that at least is documented and works.
However, the Pioneer BDP-120 blu-ray player has no such option, and so
all that can be seen on old televisions are monochrome pictures.
Are there any decent blu-ray players that perform such conversion?
Regards,
Arthur.

Panasonic have option in setup menu to output NTSC as PAL60 which was
the method most often used in DVD players. Given that you are
displaying NTSC OK other than monochrome issue indicates the 60 in PAL
wont be an issue.

Thanks, I received a large discount on the Pioneer BDP-120 (ex-display)
and have looked at either getting an NTSC to PAL converter ($99 from
Jaycar) or simply getting a newer television.
Arthur.

Get a newer television. NTSC or PAL makes no difference any more.
They should stop converting NTSC to PAL on DVD.

[Brocker]

Post by Arthur Marsh

Post by Brocker

Post by Arthur Marsh
Hi, an old Pioneer DV310s can play ntsc format dvd's (e.g. Dilbert
Region 4, Japanese Region 2) and output via the composite video in PAL
format for old televisions that don't automatically recognise NTSC
format. It's a manual set-up item that at least is documented and works.
However, the Pioneer BDP-120 blu-ray player has no such option, and so
all that can be seen on old televisions are monochrome pictures.
Are there any decent blu-ray players that perform such conversion?
Regards,
Arthur.

Panasonic have option in setup menu to output NTSC as PAL60 which was
the method most often used in DVD players. Given that you are
displaying NTSC OK other than monochrome issue indicates the 60 in PAL
wont be an issue.

Thanks, I received a large discount on the Pioneer BDP-120 (ex-display)
and have looked at either getting an NTSC to PAL converter ($99 from
Jaycar) or simply getting a newer television.
Arthur.

Get a newer television.  NTSC or PAL makes no difference any more.
They should stop converting NTSC to PAL on DVD.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Actually I don't think its a conversion as in NTSC to PAL. Could be
wrong but I think on disk the difference is framerate 30 vs 25 and
number of lines 480 vs 576. The format of the video coming off the
disk is the same (barring previous) and encoding of the video to
either PAL/NTSC occurs after it comes off the disk.

[globular]

Post by Brocker

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Post by Arthur Marsh

Post by Brocker

Post by Arthur Marsh
Hi, an old Pioneer DV310s can play ntsc format dvd's (e.g. Dilbert
Region 4, Japanese Region 2) and output via the composite video in PAL
format for old televisions that don't automatically recognise NTSC
format. It's a manual set-up item that at least is documented and works.
However, the Pioneer BDP-120 blu-ray player has no such option, and so
all that can be seen on old televisions are monochrome pictures.
Are there any decent blu-ray players that perform such conversion?
Regards,
Arthur.

Panasonic have option in setup menu to output NTSC as PAL60 which was
the method most often used in DVD players. Given that you are
displaying NTSC OK other than monochrome issue indicates the 60 in PAL
wont be an issue.

Thanks, I received a large discount on the Pioneer BDP-120 (ex-display)
and have looked at either getting an NTSC to PAL converter ($99 from
Jaycar) or simply getting a newer television.
Arthur.

Get a newer television. NTSC or PAL makes no difference any more.
They should stop converting NTSC to PAL on DVD.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Actually I don't think its a conversion as in NTSC to PAL. Could be
wrong but I think on disk the difference is framerate 30 vs 25 and
number of lines 480 vs 576. The format of the video coming off the
disk is the same (barring previous) and encoding of the video to
either PAL/NTSC occurs after it comes off the disk.

I think I know what you are saying.
But if you are saying that PAL and NTSC don't exist on DVD, then I think
it is a myth, they are definitely NTSC or PAL.

I'm not at all talking about getting PAL output from an NTSC disc on a
DVD player. I'm talking about what is on the DVD already.

I just don't think there is a valid reason for making PAL DVDs from NTSC
sources anymore. They look terrible, or at least degraded.
There are even NTSC DVDs made from PAL sources around, the BBC ones.

I have a VCR that does a basic conversion of NTSC to PAL for output, not
a proper conversion, that would be easy on a DVD player if it was done.

[Brocker]

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Post by Arthur Marsh

Post by Brocker

Post by Arthur Marsh
Hi, an old Pioneer DV310s can play ntsc format dvd's (e.g. Dilbert
Region 4, Japanese Region 2) and output via the composite video in PAL
format for old televisions that don't automatically recognise NTSC
format. It's a manual set-up item that at least is documented and works.
However, the Pioneer BDP-120 blu-ray player has no such option, and so
all that can be seen on old televisions are monochrome pictures.
Are there any decent blu-ray players that perform such conversion?
Regards,
Arthur.

Panasonic have option in setup menu to output NTSC as PAL60 which was
the method most often used in DVD players. Given that you are
displaying NTSC OK other than monochrome issue indicates the 60 in PAL
wont be an issue.

Thanks, I received a large discount on the Pioneer BDP-120 (ex-display)
and have looked at either getting an NTSC to PAL converter ($99 from
Jaycar) or simply getting a newer television.
Arthur.

Get a newer television.  NTSC or PAL makes no difference any more.
They should stop converting NTSC to PAL on DVD.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Actually I don't think its a conversion as in NTSC to PAL. Could be
wrong but I think on disk the difference is framerate 30 vs 25 and
number of lines 480 vs 576. The format of the video coming off the
disk is the same (barring previous) and encoding of the video to
either PAL/NTSC occurs after it comes off the disk.

I think I know what you are saying.
But if you are saying that PAL and NTSC don't exist on DVD, then I think
it is a myth, they are definitely NTSC or PAL.
I'm not at all talking about getting PAL output from an NTSC disc on a
DVD player.  I'm talking about what is on the DVD already.
I just don't think there is a valid reason for making PAL DVDs from NTSC
sources anymore.  They look terrible, or at least degraded.
There are even NTSC DVDs made from PAL sources around, the BBC ones.
I have a VCR that does a basic conversion of NTSC to PAL for output, not
a proper conversion, that would be easy on a DVD player if it was done.

30fps as opposed to 25fps and 480 lines as opposed to 576 lines so the
reason conversions look bad is trying to change both those.
PAL60 shouldn't look bad as all it is doing is encoding as PAL as
opposed to NTSC colour the others bits remain the same.
Its for this reason on old TV (really old) NTSC can cause verticcal
roll has TV can't sych to frame rate and also frame may be reduced in
height 480 as opposed to 576.

[DTVAUST]

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Post by Arthur Marsh
Hi, an old Pioneer DV310s can play ntsc format dvd's (e.g. Dilbert
Region 4, Japanese Region 2) and output via the composite video in PAL
format for old televisions that don't automatically recognise NTSC
format. It's a manual set-up item that at least is documented and works.
However, the Pioneer BDP-120 blu-ray player has no such option, and so
all that can be seen on old televisions are monochrome pictures.
Are there any decent blu-ray players that perform such conversion?
Regards,
Arthur.

Panasonic have option in setup menu to output NTSC as PAL60 which was
the method most often used in DVD players. Given that you are
displaying NTSC OK other than monochrome issue indicates the 60 in PAL
wont be an issue.

Thanks, I received a large discount on the Pioneer BDP-120 (ex-display)
and have looked at either getting an NTSC to PAL converter ($99 from
Jaycar) or simply getting a newer television.
Arthur.

Get a newer television.  NTSC or PAL makes no difference any more.
They should stop converting NTSC to PAL on DVD.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Actually I don't think its a conversion as in NTSC to PAL. Could be
wrong but I think on disk the difference is framerate 30 vs 25 and
number of lines 480 vs 576. The format of the video coming off the
disk is the same (barring previous) and encoding of the video to
either PAL/NTSC occurs after it comes off the disk.

I think I know what you are saying.
But if you are saying that PAL and NTSC don't exist on DVD, then I think
it is a myth, they are definitely NTSC or PAL.
I'm not at all talking about getting PAL output from an NTSC disc on a
DVD player.  I'm talking about what is on the DVD already.
I just don't think there is a valid reason for making PAL DVDs from NTSC
sources anymore.  They look terrible, or at least degraded.
There are even NTSC DVDs made from PAL sources around, the BBC ones.
I have a VCR that does a basic conversion of NTSC to PAL for output, not
a proper conversion, that would be easy on a DVD player if it was done.

30fps as opposed to 25fps and 480 lines as opposed to 576 lines so the
reason conversions look bad is trying to change both those.
PAL60 shouldn't look bad as all it is doing is encoding as PAL as
opposed to NTSC colour the others bits remain the same.
Its for this reason on old TV (really old)  NTSC can cause verticcal
roll has TV can't sych to frame rate and also frame may be reduced in
height 480 as opposed to 576.

Basically it dosn't matter with a blueray player as they generally are
HD anyway.
This means you have to use component to get HD into the display
either
by 3 saperate Y Cr Cb cables or HDMI and NTSC or PAL DVDs will
both be OK through component connections and will be in colour.
The video on a DVD is component in any case.