TV - Value of shows...

[Duggy]

What shows would you put in the follow categories:

1. Worth buying on DVD at full price is a special box set shaped like
something from the show.

2. Worth buying on DVD at full price.

3. Worth buying on DVD at a discount price.

4. Worth renting on DVD.

5. Worth spending some of dl limit on.

7. Worth getting a copy from a friend and using disc space on it.

8. Worth watching on FTA.

9. Worth borrowing a copy of the DVD from a friend.

10. Not worth watching even if it is free.

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[Coach]

10.  Not worth watching even if it is free.

Everything on tv except for re-runs of Home and Away (only the
episodes where Sally Fletcher was in though) and the nightly news and
A Current Affair (but only those episodes hosted by my ex flat mate).

[Kelpie]

10. Not worth watching even if it is free.
Everything on tv except for re-runs of Home and Away (only the
episodes where Sally Fletcher was in though) and the nightly news and
A Current Affair (but only those episodes hosted by my ex flat mate).

Sally Fletcher / Sasha Grey. Same or different?

[The Man From Havana]

Post by Coach

10.  Not worth watching even if it is free.

Everything on tv except for re-runs of Home and Away (only the
episodes where Sally Fletcher was in though) and the nightly news and
A Current Affair (but only those episodes hosted by my ex flat mate).

who was your flat mate coacharella ?

[idgat]

On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 19:41:48 -0800 (PST), Duggy

Post by Duggy
1. Worth buying on DVD at full price is a special box set shaped like
something from the show.

Anything with Eddie McGuire

Post by Duggy
2. Worth buying on DVD at full price.

Anything with Eddie McGuire

Post by Duggy
3. Worth buying on DVD at a discount price.

Anything with Eddie McGuire

Post by Duggy
4. Worth renting on DVD.

Anything with Eddie McGuire

Post by Duggy
5. Worth spending some of dl limit on.

Anything with Eddie McGuire

Post by Duggy
7. Worth getting a copy from a friend and using disc space on it.

Anything with Eddie McGuire

Post by Duggy
8. Worth watching on FTA.

Anything with Eddie McGuire

Post by Duggy
9. Worth borrowing a copy of the DVD from a friend.

Anything with Eddie McGuire

Post by Duggy
10. Not worth watching even if it is free.

Anything with Eddie McGuire

Post by Duggy
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Well, there's no reason why my responses shouldn't be as stupid and
pointless as this survey is.
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idgat
Compuglobalhypermeganet Inc.

[Duggy]

Post by idgat
Well, there's no reason why my responses shouldn't be as stupid and
pointless as I am.

You got that right.

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[Jonathan Wilson]

Post by Duggy
10. Not worth watching even if it is free.

Anything featuring Eddie McGuire or Bert Newton
Pretty much all sport (including AFL, Rugby, Tennis, Golf, Soccer, Cricket
and Basketball)
Any and all shows related to dancing, singing, talent contests and karaoke
Any and all shows related to dating (Farmer Wants a Wife etc)
Any and all shows related to weight loss, excercise and dieting
Any and all shows related to fashion, models or personal makeovers

[Duggy]

Post by Jonathan Wilson

10.  Not worth watching even if it is free.

Anything featuring Eddie McGuire or Bert Newton
Pretty much all sport (including AFL, Rugby, Tennis, Golf, Soccer, Cricket
and Basketball)
Any and all shows related to dancing, singing, talent contests and karaoke
Any and all shows related to dating (Farmer Wants a Wife etc)
Any and all shows related to weight loss, excercise and dieting
Any and all shows related to fashion, models or personal makeovers

Agree.

[Starbuck]

Post by Duggy
1. Worth buying on DVD at full price is a special box set shaped like
something from the show.
2. Worth buying on DVD at full price.
3. Worth buying on DVD at a discount price. most shows i have listed in
Question 8
4. Worth renting on DVD.
5. Worth spending some of dl limit on. new hawaii five O,battlestar
galactica,smallville,V new series,Doctor who
7. Worth getting a copy from a friend and using disc space on it.
8. Worth watching on FTA. I love Lucy,Dukes of Hazzard,Magnum
P.I,Bewitched,I dream of jeanie,green acres,airwolf,skippy the bush
kangaroo,cops,stargate atlantis,gilligans island,mchales navy
9. Worth borrowing a copy of the DVD from a friend.
10. Not worth watching even if it is free.
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[globular]

Post by Duggy
1. Worth buying on DVD at full price is a special box set shaped like
something from the show.

Batman (Adam West)

Post by Duggy
2. Worth buying on DVD at full price.

Batman (Adam West)

Post by Duggy
3. Worth buying on DVD at a discount price.

Batman (Adam West)

Post by Duggy
4. Worth renting on DVD.

Batman (Adam West)

Post by Duggy
5. Worth spending some of dl limit on.

Batman (Adam West)

Post by Duggy
7. Worth getting a copy from a friend and using disc space on it.
8. Worth watching on FTA.

Only the worst shows.

Post by Duggy
9. Worth borrowing a copy of the DVD from a friend.
10. Not worth watching even if it is free.
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[Clocky]

No point buying a DVD as there is bound to be another media change and all
those DVD's will end up at the nearest opshop near you.

[Duggy]

Post by Clocky
No point buying a DVD as there is bound to be another media change and all
those DVD's will end up at the nearest opshop near you.

You mean Blu-Ray?

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[Clocky]

Post by Duggy

Post by Clocky
No point buying a DVD as there is bound to be another media change
and all those DVD's will end up at the nearest opshop near you.

You mean Blu-Ray?

Pick your format.

Blu-Ray isn't nearly as popular as DVD still is and likely never will be
either, but the end result will be the same.

[Duggy]

Post by Clocky

Post by Duggy
You mean Blu-Ray?

Pick your format.
Blu-Ray isn't nearly as popular as DVD still is and likely never will be
either, but the end result will be the same.

I don't know... people said the same about video vs DVD... Blu-ray is
hobbled a little by backwards compatibility and the success of DVD...
but as HD TV becomes the norm DVD's going to look old.

However, the next format will be something USB like, but less ability
to be copied.

Something that plugs in and has a variable (increasing) storage size.

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[globular]

Post by Duggy

Post by Clocky

Post by Duggy
You mean Blu-Ray?

Pick your format.
Blu-Ray isn't nearly as popular as DVD still is and likely never will be
either, but the end result will be the same.

I don't know... people said the same about video vs DVD... Blu-ray is
hobbled a little by backwards compatibility and the success of DVD...
but as HD TV becomes the norm DVD's going to look old.
However, the next format will be something USB like, but less ability
to be copied.
Something that plugs in and has a variable (increasing) storage size.
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I was told in a store that people don't use blank DVDs as much now
because they are using portable storage. The usual getting talked down
to and not having what I want in store. Blank DVD discs are still
cheaper in the long run than hard drives. Hard drives would be okay if
you don't keep collecting large numbers of DVDs.

[Duggy]

Post by globular
I was told in a store that people don't use blank DVDs as much now
because they are using portable storage.

Makes sense, there's better at archiving though, but not much.

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[globular]

Post by Duggy

Post by globular
I was told in a store that people don't use blank DVDs as much now
because they are using portable storage.

Makes sense, there's better at archiving though, but not much.
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hard drives are dearer and incompatible with most DVD players.

[Duggy]

Post by globular

Post by Duggy

Post by globular
I was told in a store that people don't use blank DVDs as much now
because they are using portable storage.

Makes sense, there's better at archiving though, but not much.

hard drives are dearer and incompatible with most DVD players.

DVD and BluRay players increasing have USB ports allowing use of
portable story, such as memory sticks.

Then again a television/DVD player is a dying medium replaceable by
computer.

I don't own a TV or DVD player.

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[gxs]

Post by Duggy
Then again a television/DVD player is a dying medium replaceable by
computer.
I don't own a TV or DVD player.

Hehe, we don't all live in our bedrooms either!

[unknown]

Post by globular

Post by Duggy

Post by globular
I was told in a store that people don't use blank DVDs as much now
because they are using portable storage.

Makes sense, there's better at archiving though, but not much.
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hard drives are dearer and incompatible with most DVD players.

many players have usb ports

sure I still use CD/DVD to backup what I really want to keep in the fire safe

but DVD at 10cents per GB retail range
External/portable USB drive $90/1000GB 9 cents per GB retail range

Of course when you drop the terabyte brick you may lose a lot more, so get half a dozen
and
just backup one to another while you sleep,
no more disk swapping ( okay, as usual the disks to swap just got bigger and you soon find
thing to fill them all up :-)

in the mid 80s 720k floppies were $7 each, and that was -real- dollars, more like $40 each
todays money
It was a big step going from floppies to CDR in the early 90s, at $3000 for the burner and
$40 a cdr disk, $60 in todays money??
CDR-> DVD wasn't so much of a step,

DVD to sub$100 terabyte drive is quite a step.

[globular]

Post by unknown

Post by globular

Post by Duggy

Post by globular
I was told in a store that people don't use blank DVDs as much now
because they are using portable storage.

Makes sense, there's better at archiving though, but not much.
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hard drives are dearer and incompatible with most DVD players.

many players have usb ports
sure I still use CD/DVD to backup what I really want to keep in the fire safe
but DVD at 10cents per GB retail range
External/portable USB drive $90/1000GB 9 cents per GB retail range
Of course when you drop the terabyte brick you may lose a lot more, so get half a dozen
and
just backup one to another while you sleep,
no more disk swapping ( okay, as usual the disks to swap just got bigger and you soon find
thing to fill them all up :-)
in the mid 80s 720k floppies were $7 each, and that was -real- dollars, more like $40 each
todays money
It was a big step going from floppies to CDR in the early 90s, at $3000 for the burner and
$40 a cdr disk, $60 in todays money??
CDR-> DVD wasn't so much of a step,
DVD to sub$100 terabyte drive is quite a step.

It's an infrastructure issue surely. So throw out all DVD players that
don't have USB, replace them all with ones that do. And when technology
changes again throw it all out again.

[unknown]

Post by unknown
Of course when you drop the terabyte brick you may lose a lot more, so get half a dozen
and
just backup one to another while you sleep,
no more disk swapping ( okay, as usual the disks to swap just got bigger and you soon
find
thing to fill them all up :-)
in the mid 80s 720k floppies were $7 each, and that was -real- dollars, more like $40
each
todays money
It was a big step going from floppies to CDR in the early 90s, at $3000 for the burner
and
$40 a cdr disk, $60 in todays money??
CDR-> DVD wasn't so much of a step,
DVD to sub$100 terabyte drive is quite a step.

It's an infrastructure issue surely. So throw out all DVD players that don't have USB,
replace them all with ones that do. And when technology changes again throw it all out
again.

Well, yes.
Why do you think they are now going to all new cables with DRM support? :-)
I isn't much of an issue if you stop trying to balance on the bleeding edge and only look
at stuff once it drops below the magic $99 price.
I have a $99 kmart tv, and haven't watched it since christmas. The only widescreens are
on the computers.
The only TV I have seen was in shopping centres, but I do have 10 terabytes of storage and
looking at going up to a terabyte a month in capacity.
I did buy my parents a widescreen, but they are over 80 with failing eyesight, good to
watch the greatgrandkids on video.

The hardware is dirt cheap, $90 for a drive that should last years and hold a thousand
hours of video
to watch that video you would burn up thousands in groceries, $200 for a weeks groceries.
Milk, bread,coffee, bananas, steak, terabyte drive, tomato sauce, 16 gb thumb drive. :-)

[Clocky]

Post by unknown

Post by globular

Post by Duggy

Post by globular
I was told in a store that people don't use blank DVDs as much now
because they are using portable storage.

Makes sense, there's better at archiving though, but not much.
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hard drives are dearer and incompatible with most DVD players.

many players have usb ports
sure I still use CD/DVD to backup what I really want to keep in the fire safe

CD/DVD is a particularly secure long term backup media either.

[Coach]

Post by Clocky

Post by unknown

Post by globular

Post by Duggy

Post by globular
I was told in a store that people don't use blank DVDs as much now
because they are using portable storage.

Makes sense, there's better at archiving though, but not much.
===
= DUG.
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hard drives are dearer and incompatible with most DVD players.

many players have usb ports
sure I still use CD/DVD to backup what I really want to keep in the fire safe

CD/DVD is a particularly secure long term backup media either.

What do you mean by that clocky? Is it a secure long term backup, or
it isn't?

[Clocky]

Post by Coach

Post by Clocky

Post by unknown

Post by globular

Post by Duggy

Post by globular
I was told in a store that people don't use blank DVDs as much
now because they are using portable storage.

Makes sense, there's better at archiving though, but not much.
===
= DUG.
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hard drives are dearer and incompatible with most DVD players.

many players have usb ports
sure I still use CD/DVD to backup what I really want to keep in the fire safe

CD/DVD is a particularly secure long term backup media either.

What do you mean by that clocky? Is it a secure long term backup, or
it isn't?

It isn't.

Bitrot is a problem, the 100 year archival claims don't hold up very well...
and I know this to be true as I've got backup discs that have developed read
errors despite being stored in optimal conditions.

[unknown]

Post by Clocky

Post by unknown

Post by globular

Post by Duggy

Post by globular
I was told in a store that people don't use blank DVDs as much now
because they are using portable storage.

Makes sense, there's better at archiving though, but not much.
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hard drives are dearer and incompatible with most DVD players.

many players have usb ports
sure I still use CD/DVD to backup what I really want to keep in the fire safe

CD/DVD is a particularly secure long term backup media either.

did you mean 'isn't' ??

it is better than magnetic :-)

I have some experiments of cdr from 1995, various sun and uv exposures, immersion in
various solvents, the data still verifies.
Of course a bit of a scratch from the wrong pen and the record layer delaminates, and some
of the early ones did it by themselves anyway. You can make multiple copies on the same or
sperate disks.
Even badly damaged disks with great gouges and delamination be read in most places.

Whose to say todays 40 cents cdr/dvdr are as reliable as those $30 disks? Maybe better
tech, maybe not.
All you can really do is not use cheap as chips noname brands for anything valuable. which
is pretty much anything you took the time to archive.

Anything you want to archive should be checked regularly anyway.
Most years about this time I go through and renew what I want to keep, ditch the junk, put
the doubtful stuff in a box.
I work on the rule of thumb if I haven't had to go and retrieve information/vid/whatever
in 2 or 3 years it is probably junk so then it
gets nuked.
[ I find an old microwave (1kw) in the shed nuking 4 at a time is the best cdr/dvd
eraser, just don't breath in when you open the door, the sparks are quite entertaining
and the patterns can be quite pretty , you can't do a stack of 50, the top few seem to
take all the juice and most of the rest are intact ]

For really valuable stuff like family photo/genealogy I just makes as many copies as
people want them and spread them far and wide.

But then my interest isn't that of a librarian ( books, video, corporate history etc ) or
museum conservator.

[Clocky]

Post by unknown

Post by Clocky

Post by unknown

Post by globular

Post by Duggy

Post by globular
I was told in a store that people don't use blank DVDs as much
now because they are using portable storage.

Makes sense, there's better at archiving though, but not much.
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hard drives are dearer and incompatible with most DVD players.

many players have usb ports
sure I still use CD/DVD to backup what I really want to keep in the fire safe

CD/DVD is a particularly secure long term backup media either.

did you mean 'isn't' ??
it is better than magnetic :-)

Don't bet on it. I have 5.25" floppy discs that have been stored in the
garage for 15 years and have warped from the heat yet they still read fine
whilst CD-R and DVD backups that I have made in the last 10 years and stored
in optimal conditions have developed bitrot.

Post by unknown
I have some experiments of cdr from 1995, various sun and uv
exposures, immersion in various solvents, the data still verifies.
Of course a bit of a scratch from the wrong pen and the record layer
delaminates, and some of the early ones did it by themselves anyway.
You can make multiple copies on the same or sperate disks.
Even badly damaged disks with great gouges and delamination be read in most places.
Whose to say todays 40 cents cdr/dvdr are as reliable as those $30
disks? Maybe better tech, maybe not.
All you can really do is not use cheap as chips noname brands for
anything valuable. which is pretty much anything you took the time to
archive.

Sometimes the brandnames are the same cheap noname discs rebranded, you
can't always tell. I wonder how many Princo's are still readable? ;-)

Post by unknown
Anything you want to archive should be checked regularly anyway.
Most years about this time I go through and renew what I want to
keep, ditch the junk, put the doubtful stuff in a box.
I work on the rule of thumb if I haven't had to go and retrieve
information/vid/whatever in 2 or 3 years it is probably junk so then
it gets nuked.
[ I find an old microwave (1kw) in the shed nuking 4 at a time is
the best cdr/dvd eraser, just don't breath in when you open the
door, the sparks are quite entertaining and the patterns can be
quite pretty , you can't do a stack of 50, the top few seem to take
all the juice and most of the rest are intact ]
For really valuable stuff like family photo/genealogy I just makes as
many copies as people want them and spread them far and wide.
But then my interest isn't that of a librarian ( books, video,
corporate history etc ) or museum conservator.

I'm mostly concerned with photos and videos, everything else is, as you
said, largely irrelevant as a long term backup necessity.

[unknown]

I'm mostly concerned with photos and videos, everything else is, as you said, largely
irrelevant as a long term backup necessity.

Make multiple copies, verify them regularly. Included a veriication structure and
checking data with the archive.
The 100 year was touted 20 years ago, who knows what it is today.
Nevertheless I haven't had any failures on the old disks , the errors per second off is
the same, but getting the saem disks today is probably not possible. New processes, new
dyes, much cheaper price.
If it burns and verifies it should be good for a few years. Now , can you read it on any
reader? Maaaaaaybe.
Lowest speed burn improves readability somewhat, those old ones were on multi $k 1x
burners and $30-ish disks.

I suspect the 100 years was marketing hype more like MTBF, a real measure but twisted by
marketing.
A 1 million hour MTBF for a few million units means after initial failure peak you will
still be replacing them all the time.

The CD/DVD has a manufactuere ID embeded on the disk.
That could be faked but there aren't that many manufacturers.
Then there are factory and product stream differences.

[gxs]

Post by Clocky
CD/DVD is a particularly secure long term backup media either.

Did you mean "isn't"?
We still use tape for the nightly Enterprise backup solution, stored
off-site for 3 years.

g.

[gxs]

Post by Duggy
I don't know... people said the same about video vs DVD...

Please can you produce evidence of this?
VHS to DVD was a massive step that the entire PLANET jumped on, hence the
popularity of DVD!

Post by Duggy
Blu-ray is
hobbled a little by backwards compatibility and the success of DVD...
but as HD TV becomes the norm DVD's going to look old.

Not really and certainly not in Australia, free to air channels broadcast in
1080i/726p MAX! and most of that looks like 576p(DVD) upscaled!!
Do Foxtel offer HD on their cheapest package? I have no idea, it's an
over-priced service that I've never looked in to.

Post by Duggy
However, the next format will be something USB like, but less ability
to be copied.
Something that plugs in and has a variable (increasing) storage size.

Maybe, changing the colour of the laser isn't it though....can't wait for
the next REAL advance of home/enterprise storage!

g.

[b***@tv.net]

DVD is not dead and won't be for some time to come. Consider the fact
that many feature films and TV shows are yet to be released (and
finished) on DVD and some can't be mastered for Blu-ray (eg. Films
edited on tape with special effects).

I've had a Blu-ray player for a few years now and still only have five
Blu-ray titles. Why ? Because I see no value in buying a HD version
of a feature film or TV show if the picture and sound quality
improvements offer minimal improvement. This seems to be the case with
many Blu-ray titles I have seen - many look no better than upscaled
DVD and some are downright atrocious (eg. Predator). The Blu-ray
titles I do have are all classic films with outstanding cinematography
that does benefit form a HD transfer. Most titles don't, which is why
upscaled DVD is what most people are happy with.

As for the future of digital media, downloadable content and video
streaming will be more attractive when the infrastructure and pricing
is in place but I don't see it replacing physical media as the
preferred medium for viewing digital content. People want something
physical that they can own and feel. Not something intangible which
they may have to pay for multiple times.

Regarding digital storage, external 3.5" and 2.5" hard drives are the
most cost effective form of data storage right now and are a much
more practical solution then buying racks of CD-Rs/DVD-Rs for
archiving. If data integrity is an issue then simply buy more hard
drives and use them in a redundant fashion. No need for recordable
media at all. In fact, a lot of recordable CD.DVD media today is so
cheaply made and with such poor quality dyes it's not likely to last
more than a few years. Economies of scales has seen to that with the
end result being a reduction in media quality and reliability.

As for flash memory, it's convenient but still has serious issues with
random access transfers rates (too high) and data corruption making it
unreliable as a replacement for DVD/Blu-ray media at this point in
time.

[Duggy]

Post by b***@tv.net
DVD is not dead and won't be for some time to come. Consider the fact
that many feature films and TV shows are yet to be released (and
finished) on DVD and some can't be mastered for Blu-ray (eg. Films
edited on tape with special effects).

True, but...

1. Blu-Ray producers don't care about the final quality of the
finished product. If bad-DVD quality is all they have, they will,
when the time comes release that on Blu-ray. Most people won't
realise until they get home anyway.
2. Releasing Blu-Ray & DVD splits their market. Once, you'd release
10,000 units (or whatever) on DVD, and eventually they'd all be sold.
Now they have to release 2,000 units on Blu-Ray and 8,000 on DVD. And
maybe at the moment Blu-ray isn't selling. But in 12 months you may
be stuck with 4,000 DVDs that no one wants. For the distributors one
format is better than 2, so they'll start forcing the issue. Not
everything released on CD was CD quality... it just had to be not on
vinyl.

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